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Revision as of 15:19, 16 October 2013

Contents

Queries

Stedman Doubles

36 (p.9)

First touch (single every lead) comes round but has repeated changes. Are there any true 36 change touches?

   23145
   =====
s  34215  1
s  34125  1
s  42315  1
s  42135  1
s  23415  1
s (23145) 1
   =====

Double Court Bob Minor

5040 (R. Bailey, p.13)

Text describes the composition for when O comes before I - however this is the case for Double Court. The first composition doesn't work but the second does (although the course ends don't match the one described - 35426 should be 52436). Would it be correct to switch the compositions and correct the course ends.

Also, is the equivalent of following statement true of the other composition:

The above arrangement is also true for all 6ths place regular methods. For 6ths place Treble Bob methods call three parts only with last O called as -.

Rutland Surprise Major

288 (p.39)

What does the 1 and 2 mean? Doesn't seem to work with them being lead counts (i.e. M and 3) however it does work with 5 and W.

1  2  B  H  23456
s  s  	  -  23645
      -  -  23456
s = 1256.

Erin Caters

5076 (D.Barton, p.51)

Why is the last course incomplete (bracketed)?

Plain and Little Bob Royal

5016 (J.A.Trollope, p.53)

The number of changes appears to be incorrect: PLP x 12 + LLLLLP x 5 = 876 => 5256 changes in total.

Bristol Surprise Royal

5040 (4blh, p.57)

Should the third row of the composition be incomplete as we never reach the home position with this course end?

Unproven

Cambridge Surprise Minor

96 (p.20)

½  1  2  3  3½  23456
=====================
s  -  -  -  s	 23456
=====================
hls = 3456.

96 (p.20)

½  1½ 2  3  4  23456
====================
s  s  -  -  -  23456
====================

98 (p.20)

½  1  2  23456
===============
s  -  - (32456)
===============

Oxford Treble Bob Major

288 (p.33)

3½  4½  H  23456
================
        2  34256
s   s      23456
================
hls = 1238.

488 (p.33)

2½  3½  B  4½  5½  23456
========================
s   s      s   s   42635
        -          23456
========================

Kent and Oxford Treble Bob Spliced

64 (p.33)

  2345678 KO
  =======
- 3245678 OK
- 2345678
  =======

192 (p.33)

  2345678 OK
  =======
  3264857 KO
  2386745 OK
  3278564 KO
  2357486 OK
  3245678 KO
- 2345678
  =======

288 (p.33)

  2345678 KK
  =======
- 4263857 KO
  2463857 OK
  4286735 KO
  2478563 OK
  4257386 KO
- 2457386 OK
  4235678 KK
- 3425678 KK
- 2345678
  =======

352 (p.33)

  2345678 KO
  =======
  3264857 OK
  2386745 KO
  3278564 OK
  2357486 KK
  5243678 KO
  2564837 OK
  5286743 KO
  2578364 OK
  5237486 KK
- 3527486 KK
  2345678
  =======

Worcester Variation

1280 (p.33)

1  3  5  23456
==============
o  o  o  32456
o  o     53246
   o     46325
   o     25634
==============
2 Part.

5280 (H. W. Wilde, p.33)

1  3  5  23456
==============
o  o  o  32456
o  o     53246
   o     46325
   o     25634
o  o     32654
o  o     53624
   o     24365
o  o     62345
   o     45236
   o     36524
o  o     23564
==============
3 Part.

Ilkeston Variation

1280 (p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
         -  42356
   o  -  2  52364
   o  2     43265
   o  -  2  63254
   o  -  -  32546
2  o  -  -  23456
=================

5184 (E. Timbrell, p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
2  o     -  35426
2  o     2  45236
2  o     2  25346
2  o        43526
   o  -     52364
   o  -     36245
2  o  2     23645
=================

Killamarsh Variation

1280 (p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
x  x  -  x  25436
-  x        32465
I  x  I  -  24365
=================
2 Part.

5088 (C. Severn, p.34)

M  M  5  W  H  H  23456
=======================
   2  x  II x  II 54326
      x  I     x  24365
x  II x     x  I  42563
x  2  x  II x  II 62534
      x  2  x  I  53246
x  2  x     x  II 23645
=======================
3 Part.

Liversedge Variation

1312 (p.34)

M  4  5  W  H  23456
====================
-  I  I        52364
   I  I        64235
   I  I     -  43526
-  I  I  -     62345
   I  I  -  -  23456
====================

5280 (E. Morris, p.34)

M  4  5  W  H   23456
=====================
2  I  I  -  2   53246
   I  I         46325
   I  I         25634
   I  I         34562
=====================
5 Part.

Cambridge Surprise Major

224 (p.34)

2½ M  W  4½ H  23456
====================
-  -  -  -  -  23456
====================
hl- = 58.

Also Lincolnshire.

352 (p.34)

B  2½ H  23456
==============
-        35264
   -  -  23456
==============

Also Lincolnshire.

352 (p.34)

4½ B  H  23456
==============
-        23645
   -  -  23456
==============

Also Lincolnshire.

Yorkshire Surprise Major

130 (p.35)

½  W  23456
============
-  s (32456)
============
hl- = 58.

224 (p.35)

½  3½ W  H  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================

Also Superlative.

224 (p.35)

M  3½ 6½ H  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================

Also Superlative.

Lincolnshire Surprise Major

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

Superlative Surprise Major

224 (p.37)

See Yorkshire, 224.

224 (p.37)

See Yorkshire, 224.

Pudsey Surprise Major

258 (p.38)

B  3½ W  H  23456
=================
-        -  23564
   s  -    (42536)
=================
hls = 5678.

354 (p.38)

W  5½ 23456
===========
   s  23546
-    (42536)
===========
hls = 5678.

Belfast Surprise Major

288 (p.42)

3½ 4½ H  23456
==============
      2  34256
s  s     23456
==============
hls = 3678.

448 (p.42)

2½ 3½ B  4½ 5½ 23456
====================
s  s     s  s  42635
      -        23456
====================

Glasgow Surprise Major

194 (p.44)

2½ H  23456
===========
s  -  24635
===========
hls = 3678.

Spliced Surprise Major

251 (p.44)

B  H           (432567)
=======================
   -  LXp       243567
s     XXcXpXnF  243576
      (B)      (243576)
=======================
Start at backstroke snap.

384 (p.45)

            2345678
===================
A  XXXXpXX  2854673
===================
2 part.
A = ---ppp

Plain Bob Caters

5166 (D. Knox, p.48)

What does the 3/4 mean?

W  3  4  M  H  23456789
=======================
   -  s     s  46235978
-           3  34265978
=======================
-        -  3  23546978 |
-        -  s  56234978 | A
2        -  3  23456978 |
=======================
-     -  -  s  46235789
-     s     3  34265879
=======================
      A        23456879
=======================
-        -  s  46235879
-     s     3  34265789
=======================
      A        23456789
=======================

Stedman Caters

171 (p.49)

Can't make this come round.

1  5  231456789
===============
-  -  136452978
a     214365879
===============

Cambridge Surprise Royal

5040 (R. Pipe, p.55)

M  4½ W  H  2345678
===================
         -  4235678
      s     5234678
s     s  -  3426578
   s     3  3426587
   s     -  2346578
===================
2 Part.

Yorkshire Surprise Royal

5040 (G. B. Thompson, p.55)

M  W  H  2345678
================
   s     5342678
s  s  3  2346578
   a  3  2346587
================
2 Part.
a = s1,s3½,s4½,s5½,s8.

Bristol Surprise Royal

240 (p.57)

1½ 3  4½ 6  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 70.

240 (p.57)

½  2  3½ 5  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 70.

360 (8blh, p.57)

½  4  5  8½ 23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 30.

360 (8blh, p.57)

½  5  23456
===========
s  s  23456
===========
hls = 1230.

402 (8blh, p.57)

½  5  8½  23456
===============
   s  -   34526
-        (42536)
===============
hls = 1230.

5041 (R. W. Pipe, p.57)

3  4  5  8  9  325476890
========================
      a        342658790
   5*          324658790
-     s        623548790
s  -           234568790
   s     -  s  243569078
   -     -  -  432567890
   4*          234567890
========================
Start at backstroke with a single.
a = 2,s4,6.
4* = -s--.
5* = --s--.

Stedman Cinques

1306 (p.61)

1  6  7  19  2314567890E
========================
-  s  -  2   31425678E90
   -     5*  41325678E90
   -     2   31245678E90
a           (3124567890E)
========================
a = 12,14,15,16,17,18,19.

5003 (J. Pladdys, p.61)

6  7  18  19  2314567890E
=========================
a             341256E9780
=========================
-     -   -   123456E9780 |
   s          213456E9780 |
-     -   -   342156E9780 | A
   s          432156E9780 |
-     -   -   214356E9780 |
=========================
b             12435678E90
=========================
-     -   -   43125678E90 |
   s          34125678E90 |
-     -   -   12345678E90 |
   s          21345678E90 | B
-     -   -   34215678E90 |
   s          43215678E90 |
-     -   -   21435678E90 |
=========================
c             1243568709E
B             2143568709E
=========================
d             12436578E90
B             21436578E90
=========================
c             1243658709E
B             2143658709E
=========================
Start with the last 4 changes of a slow six.
a = s1,3,4,s6,9,11,15,s19,20,s22,23,24.
b = 3,7,8,s12,21.
c = 2,4,5,s7,8,s10,13,14,18,s20.
d = 2,4,5,7,8,s10,13,14,18,s20.

Plain and Little Bob Maximus

Last Touch (p.64)

Can't find an example to show this.

PLLLLPLL* (96 changes) includes W, M, 6, O, 7 and H (* where 6, O and 7 is called).

False Compositions

Stedman Doubles

36 (p.9)

Repeated changes.

   23145
   =====
s  34215  1
s  34125  1
s  42315  1
s  42135  1
s  23415  1
s (23145) 1
   =====
method_name = { Stedman Doubles }
composition = { s s s s s s ce }

Stedman Triples

79 (p.27)

Repeated change: 2314567.

   2314567
   =======
–  4756312  4
s  7643521  1
–  7635421  1
–  6523714  2
–  5312647  2
–  3241576  2
– (2135476) 1
   =======
method_name = { Stedman Triples }
composition = { p p p b s b p b p b p b b }

1284 (p.28)

1536 changes, 120 repeated changes.

6  S  H  L  Q  5  231456
=========================
s                 346125 |
   x  x     x     413265 | A
      x           143256 |
A                 324156
   x     x        316254 |
   x  x     x     123564 | B
      x           213546 |
B                 152436
  x      x     s (315426)
      x     x     142365
      x           412356
A                (231456)
=========================
method_name = { Stedman Triples }
c1 = { p p p p p p p p p p s p p p p p ce }
c2 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce }
c3 = { p p p p b b p p p p p p p p ce }
ptA = { c1 c2 c3 }
c4 = { p p b b p p b b p p p p p p ce }
ptB = { c4 c2 c3 }
c5 = { p p b b p p b b s p p p ce }
c6 = { p p p p b b p p p p p b b p ce }
composition = { ptA ptA ptB ptB c5 c6 c3 ptA }

Double Norwich Court Bob Major

352 (p.32)

Doesn't end in rounds.

1  2  3  6  234567
         -  34256
-  s  s     357246
         -  573246
-  s  s     23456
method_name = { Double Norwich Court Bob Major }
c1 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c2 = { b s s p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c1 c2 }

5072 (J. H. Fielden, p.32)

Too many changes (5184) and 239 repeated. Course ends agree with Prover using composition below until the row with 4* after which 234 is transposed. Not sure whether this is because the Peal Prover notation is wrong or the composition is.

1  2  3  4  6  7  2345678
=========================
            2*    43256   |
s           3     53246   |
s        s  3     63254   | A
s        s  3     43265   |
s           3     63245   |
=========================
s        s  -     32564
-     s           275346
-           -     357246
-  s  s  s        326745
         -  3     423765
s     s           4258763
   s        4*    4238765
-        s     s  5623478
-        s  -     32456
=========================
A                 62345
=========================
s        s  3     52364
s        s  -     23456
=========================
2* = s-.
4* = -s-s.
method_name = { Double Norwich Court Bob Major }
continue_after_rounds
ptAc1 = { p p p p p s p ce }
ptAc2 = { p p p p p b p ce }
ptAc3 = { s p p p p b p ce }
ptAc4 = { s p p p p b p ce }
ptAc5 = { s p p s p b p ce }
ptA = { ptAc1 ptAc2 ptAc3 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc5 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc5 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc3 ptAc2 ptAc2 }
tc1 = { s p p s p b p ce }
tc2 = { b p s p p p p ce }
tc3 = { b p p p p b p ce }
tc4 = { b s s s ce }
tc5 = { p p p b p b p ce }
tc6 = { p p p p p b p ce }
tc7 = { s p s p ce }
tc8 = { p s p p p b p ce }
tc9 = { p p p p p b p ce }
tc10 = { p p p p p s p ce }
tc11 = { b p p s p p s p ce }
tc12 = { b p p s p b p ce }
tc = { tc1 tc2 tc3 tc4 tc5 tc6 tc6 tc7 tc8 tc9 tc10 tc9 tc10 tc11 tc12 }
tc13 = { s p p s p b p ce }
composition = { ptA tc ptA tc13 tc6 tc6 tc1 }

5184 (S. Humphrey, p.32)

Not enough changes (4992) and 432 repeated. Course ends agree with Prover using composition below until the row with 3 calls at 6 after which 456 is transposed. Not sure whether this is because the Peal Prover notation is wrong or the composition is.

1  2  4  5  6   234567
======================
            2*  43256
s        -      25634
      -         45236
   s            375246
-           -   257346
-  -        3   26345
         -      32564
            2   53264
s           -   32654
======================
4 part.
2* = s- in parts 1 and 3.
c1 = { p p p p p s p ce }
c2 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c3 = { s p p p b ce }
c4 = { p p p b p p p ce }
c5 = { p s p p ce }
c6 = { b p p p p b p ce }
c7 = { b b p p p b p p ce }
c8 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c9 = { p p p p b ce }
c10 = { s p p p p b ce }
pt1 = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 c8 c9 c8 c8 }
pt2 = { c2 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 c8 c9 c8 c8 }
composition = { pt1 pt2 pt1 pt2 }

Spliced Surprise Major

1280 (3m, p.45)

Correct number of changes and comes round, but 34 repeated changes.

B  M  H           23456
=======================
-        CYSC     35264
   -     YSCSCSY  25463
-        YCCS     56234
   -  -  SCYCSYC  42635
-     -  YSYC     42356
      -  CYSYYCS  34256
      -  CSCYCCY  23456
=======================
method_name = { spliced 
                 { br = Bristol Surprise Major }
                 { ca = Cambridge Surprise Major }
                 { li = Lincolnshire Surprise Major }
                 { lo = London Surprise Major }
                 { pu = Pudsey Surprise Major }
                 { ru = Rutland Surprise Major }
                 { su = Superlative Surprise Major }
                 { yo = Yorkshire Surprise Major }
              } 
c1 = { cap yob sup cap ce }
c2 = { yob sup cap sup cap sup yop ce }
c3 = { yop cab cap sup ce }
c4 = { sub cap yop cap sup yop cab ce }
c5 = { yop sub yop cab ce }
c6 = { cap yop sup yop yop cap sub ce }
c7 = { cap sup cap yop cap cap yob ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 }

1280 (5m, p.45)

Correct number of changes and comes round, but 30 repeated changes.

M  W  H        23456
====================
-     -  RSYNN	64352
   -     RCR   56342
====================
5 part.
c1 = { rub sup yop lip lib ce }
c2 = { rup cab rup ce }
pt1 = { c1 c2 }
composition = { pt1 pt1 pt1 pt1 pt1 }

Plain Bob Royal

1260 (p.52)

Doesn't end in rounds and doesn't seem to match the course ends after the first course.

4  5  6  234567890
==================
   -     234567089
-     -  423569078
   s     423569708
-     -  342568790
   -     342568079
-  s     342569807
-     -  234567890
==================
c1 = { p p p p b p p p p ce }
c2 = { p p p b p b p p p p ce }
c3 = { p p p p s p p p p ce }
c4 = { p p p b s p p p p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c2 c1 c4 c2 }

Little Bob Royal

5024 (J. Longridge, p.53)

16 repeated changes.

1  2  3  4  5  9  234567890
===========================
   -     -  -  3  426357089
            -  -  562347089
         -  -  2  542637089
            -  3  243657089
            -  2  453627089
            -  3  352647089
         -  -  3  234567089
===========================
   -           s  243567908
-  -  -           432567908
-  -  -           324567908
===========================
   -     -  -  3  436257890
            -  3  635247890
            -  2  345267890
         -     3  235467890
         -     2  254367890
         -     3  324567890
===========================
2 Part.
c1 = { p b p b b p p p b ce } !2459
c2 = { p p p p p p p p b ce } !9
c3 = { p p p p b p p p b ce } !59
c4 = { p p p b b p p p b ce } !459
pt1 = { c1 c2 c2 c3 c4 c2 c3 c2 c2 c3 c2 c3 c2 c2 c4 c2 c2 }
c5 = { p b p p p p p p s ce } !2s9
c6 = { b b b p ce }
pt2 = { c5 c6 c6 }
c7 = { p p p b p p p p b ce } !49
pt3 = { c1 c2 c2 c3 c2 c2 c3 c2 c7 c2 c2 c7 c2 c7 c2 c2 }
composition = { pt1 pt2 pt3 pt1 pt2 pt3 }

Kent Treble Bob Royal

1320 (p.54)

Only 1200 changes, doesn't end in rounds.

B  H  234567890
===============
   -  423567890
-  -  342567089
-  -  234567908
-     234567890
===============
c1 = { b ce }
c2 = { p p p p b p p p p b ce }
c3 = { p p p p b p p p p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c2 c3 }

Plain Bob Cinques

5060 (G. R. Drew, p.59)

1  4  5  6  10 234567890E
=========================
            s  243567890E
=========================
      -  s     24356790E8
-     -     3* 2534679E80
-           3* 2435679E80
=========================
   s           2435607E98
-  -        3* 253468709E
-           3* 243568709E
=========================
   s  -  -     24356E8907
-  s        4* 253467890E
-           2  234567890E
=========================
3* = --s.
4* = -s--.
c1 = { p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c2 = { p p p p b s p p p p ce }
c3 = { b p p p b p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c4 = { b p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c5 = { p p p s p p p p p p ce }
c6 = { b p p b p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c7 = { p p p s b b p p p p ce }
c8 = { b p p s p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b ce }
c9 = { b p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c4 c7 c8 c9 }

Erin Cinques

5019 (S. Jenner, p.62)

1  5  6  7  8  1234567890E
==========================
-     -  s  -  46215378E90 |   |
         -  -  13245678E90 |   |
      -     -  26315478E90 |   |
         -  -  14325678E90 |   |
      -     -  36415278E90 |A  |
         -  -  12435678E90 |   |
      -  s  -  26415678E90 |   |
         -  -  14235678E90 |   |B
      -     -  26415378E90 |   |
         -  -  13425678E90 |   |
==========================     |
   s  -  -  -  26341578E90     |
   s     -     41362578E90     |
   s     -     62314578E90     |
   -     -     13426578E90     |
A*             14236578E90     |
==========================
a              13426587E90
B              12345687E90
==========================
b              1423568709E
B              1342658709E
==========================
A* = A committing - @ 1.
a = s2,6,8,s11,s13,18,19.
b = 2,6,8,s13,18,19.
Ac1 = { p p p p b s b p p p ce }
Ac2 = { p p p p p p b b p p p ce }
Ac3 = { p p p p p b p b p p p ce }
Ac4 = { p p p p p b s b p p p ce }
ptA = { Ac1 Ac2 Ac3 Ac2 Ac3 Ac2 Ac4 Ac2 Ac3 Ac2 }
Bc1 = { p p p p s b b b p p p ce }
Bc2 = { p p p p s p b p p p p ce }
Bc3 = { p p p p b p b p p p p ce }
ptB = { b ptA Bc1 Bc2 Bc2 Bc3 p ptA }
tc1 = { p s p p p b p b p p s p s p p p p b b p p p ce }
tc2 = { p b p p p b p b p p p p s p p p p b b p p ce }
composition = { ptB tc1 ptB tc2 ptB }

Bristol Surprise Maximus

1250 (10blh, p.67)

1 repeated change.

I  5  O  23456
==============
   -  -  32654
-  -  s  42536
==============
Rounds in 194 changes.
c1 = { p p p p b p p p b p p ce }
c2 = { p b p p b p p p s p p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 p p p p p }

Errata

Beverley Surprise Minor

1296 (p.19)

The middle 3 plain lead count should be 2.

  23456
  =====
s 32564 3
s 62453 1
- 25346 1
- 25463 3
s 43256 2
s 34562 3
s 64253 1
- 64532 3
s 34256 1
  =====
3 Part.

London and Wells Spliced Surprise Minor

120 (p.21)

Number of changes should be 240.

Stedman Triples

103 (p.28)

Number of changes should be 105.

169 (p.28)

Number of changes should be 171.

5040 (T. Thurstans, p.28)

First row should be SL not SH.

Erin Triples

173 (p.29)

Second lead end should be 5741263, not 4751263. Second to last lead end should be 6473521, not 6472513. Touch comes round with (2135476), not (1325476).

5040 (p.29, J. W. Parker)

Block C should include first course.

Plain Bob Caters

288 (p.47)

Composition false - 216 changes and doesn't end in rounds.

4  H  23456789
==============
s  s  24356879
s  s  23456789
==============
c1 = { p p s p p s }
composition = { c1 c1 }


Plain and Little Bob Royal

Final Spliced Touch (p.53)

First course end should be bracketed.

Stedman Caters

85 (p.49)

Number of changes should be 87.

Erin Caters

263 (p.51)

Last two course ends should be 324165798 and (213547698).

371 (p.51)

Course ends 342165978, 124365978 incorrect: last three bells should be 798.

Little Bob Maxiumus

1320 (p.64)

Missing substitution for 6* = --s--s.

Bristol Surprise Maximus

2nd 5086 (R. W. Pipe, p.67)

Missing: "Start at treble backstroke snap."

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