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== Stedman Cinques ==
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=== 1306 (p.61) ===
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1  6  7  19  2314567890E
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========================
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a = 12,14,15,16,17,18,19.
= False Compositions =
= False Compositions =

Revision as of 17:02, 8 September 2012

Contents

Queries

Double Court Bob Minor

5040 (R. Bailey, p.13)

Text describes the composition for when O comes before I - however this is the case for Double Court. The first composition doesn't work but the second does (although the course ends don't match the one described - 35426 should be 52436). Would it be correct to switch the compositions and correct the course ends.

Also, is the equivalent of following statement true of the other composition:

The above arrangement is also true for all 6ths place regular methods. For 6ths place Treble Bob methods call three parts only with last O called as -.

Rutland Surprise Major

288 (p.39)

What does the 1 and 2 mean? Doesn't seem to work with them being lead counts (i.e. M and 3) however it does work with 5 and W.

1  2  B  H  23456
s  s  	  -  23645
      -  -  23456
s = 1256.

Erin Caters

5076 (D.Barton, p.51)

Why is the last course incomplete (bracketed)?

Plain and Little Bob Royal

Final Spliced Touch

Whichever course of Plain's and Little's are selected, the first course end is incomplete (bracketed) as M starts before H.

M  W  H  23456
==============
   s     53426
s  s  3  23456
==============
2 Part.

However the first course end is currently showing as 53426.

5016 (J.A.Trollope, p.53)

The number of changes appears to be incorrect: PLP x 12 + LLLLLP x 5 = 876 => 5256 changes in total.

Unproven

Cambridge Surprise Minor

96 (p.20)

½  1  2  3  3½  23456
=====================
s  -  -  -  s	 23456
=====================
hls = 3456.

96 (p.20)

½  1½ 2  3  4  23456
====================
s  s  -  -  -  23456
====================

98 (p.20)

½  1  2  23456
===============
s  -  - (32456)
===============

Oxford Treble Bob Major

288 (p.33)

3½  4½  H  23456
================
        2  34256
s   s      23456
================
hls = 1238.

488 (p.33)

2½  3½  B  4½  5½  23456
========================
s   s      s   s   42635
        -          23456
========================

Kent and Oxford Treble Bob Spliced

64 (p.33)

  2345678 KO
  =======
- 3245678 OK
- 2345678
  =======

192 (p.33)

  2345678 OK
  =======
  3264857 KO
  2386745 OK
  3278564 KO
  2357486 OK
  3245678 KO
- 2345678
  =======

288 (p.33)

  2345678 KK
  =======
- 4263857 KO
  2463857 OK
  4286735 KO
  2478563 OK
  4257386 KO
- 2457386 OK
  4235678 KK
- 3425678 KK
- 2345678
  =======

352 (p.33)

  2345678 KO
  =======
  3264857 OK
  2386745 KO
  3278564 OK
  2357486 KK
  5243678 KO
  2564837 OK
  5286743 KO
  2578364 OK
  5237486 KK
- 3527486 KK
  2345678
  =======

Worcester Variation

1280 (p.33)

1  3  5  23456
==============
o  o  o  32456
o  o     53246
   o     46325
   o     25634
==============
2 Part.

5280 (H. W. Wilde, p.33)

1  3  5  23456
==============
o  o  o  32456
o  o     53246
   o     46325
   o     25634
o  o     32654
o  o     53624
   o     24365
o  o     62345
   o     45236
   o     36524
o  o     23564
==============
3 Part.

Ilkeston Variation

1280 (p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
         -  42356
   o  -  2  52364
   o  2     43265
   o  -  2  63254
   o  -  -  32546
2  o  -  -  23456
=================

5184 (E. Timbrell, p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
2  o     -  35426
2  o     2  45236
2  o     2  25346
2  o        43526
   o  -     52364
   o  -     36245
2  o  2     23645
=================

Killamarsh Variation

1280 (p.34)

M  5  W  H  23456
=================
x  x  -  x  25436
-  x        32465
I  x  I  -  24365
=================
2 Part.

5088 (C. Severn, p.34)

M  M  5  W  H  H  23456
=======================
   2  x  II x  II 54326
      x  I     x  24365
x  II x     x  I  42563
x  2  x  II x  II 62534
      x  2  x  I  53246
x  2  x     x  II 23645
=======================
3 Part.

Liversedge Variation

1312 (p.34)

M  4  5  W  H  23456
====================
-  I  I        52364
   I  I        64235
   I  I     -  43526
-  I  I  -     62345
   I  I  -  -  23456
====================

5280 (E. Morris, p.34)

M  4  5  W  H   23456
=====================
2  I  I  -  2   53246
   I  I         46325
   I  I         25634
   I  I         34562
=====================
5 Part.

Cambridge Surprise Major

224 (p.34)

2½ M  W  4½ H  23456
====================
-  -  -  -  -  23456
====================
hl- = 58.

Also Lincolnshire.

352 (p.34)

B  2½ H  23456
==============
-        35264
   -  -  23456
==============

Also Lincolnshire.

352 (p.34)

4½ B  H  23456
==============
-        23645
   -  -  23456
==============

Also Lincolnshire.

Yorkshire Surprise Major

130 (p.35)

½  W  23456
============
-  s (32456)
============
hl- = 58.

224 (p.35)

½  3½ W  H  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================

Also Superlative.

224 (p.35)

M  3½ 6½ H  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================

Also Superlative.

Lincolnshire Surprise Major

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

224 (p.36)

See Cambridge, 224.

Superlative Surprise Major

224 (p.37)

See Yorkshire, 224.

224 (p.37)

See Yorkshire, 224.

Pudsey Surprise Major

258 (p.38)

B  3½ W  H  23456
=================
-        -  23564
   s  -    (42536)
=================
hls = 5678.

354 (p.38)

W  5½ 23456
===========
   s  23546
-    (42536)
===========
hls = 5678.

Belfast Surprise Major

288 (p.42)

3½ 4½ H  23456
==============
      2  34256
s  s     23456
==============
hls = 3678.

448 (p.42)

2½ 3½ B  4½ 5½ 23456
====================
s  s     s  s  42635
      -        23456
====================

Glasgow Surprise Major

194 (p.44)

2½ H  23456
===========
s  -  24635
===========
hls = 3678.

Spliced Surprise Major

251 (p.44)

B  H           (432567)
=======================
   -  LXp       243567
s     XXcXpXnF  243576
      (B)      (243576)
=======================
Start at backstroke snap.

384 (p.45)

            2345678
===================
A  XXXXpXX  2854673
===================
2 part.
A = ---ppp

Plain Bob Caters

5166 (D. Knox, p.48)

What does the 3/4 mean?

W  3  4  M  H  23456789
=======================
   -  s     s  46235978
-           3  34265978
=======================
-        -  3  23546978 |
-        -  s  56234978 | A
2        -  3  23456978 |
=======================
-     -  -  s  46235789
-     s     3  34265879
=======================
      A        23456879
=======================
-        -  s  46235879
-     s     3  34265789
=======================
      A        23456789
=======================

Stedman Caters

171 (p.49)

Can't make this come round.

1  5  231456789
===============
-  -  136452978
a     214365879
===============

Cambridge Surprise Royal

5040 (R. Pipe, p.55)

M  4½ W  H  2345678
===================
         -  4235678
      s     5234678
s     s  -  3426578
   s     3  3426587
   s     -  2346578
===================
2 Part.

Yorkshire Surprise Royal

5040 (G. B. Thompson, p.55)

M  W  H  2345678
================
   s     5342678
s  s  3  2346578
   a  3  2346587
================
2 Part.
a = s1,s3½,s4½,s5½,s8.

Bristol Surprise Royal

240 (p.57)

1½ 3  4½ 6  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 70.

240 (p.57)

½  2  3½ 5  23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 70.

360 (8blh, p.57)

½  4  5  8½ 23456
=================
-  -  -  -  23456
=================
hl- = 30.

360 (8blh, p.57)

½  5  23456
===========
s  s  23456
===========
hls = 1230.

402 (8blh, p.57)

½  5  8½  23456
===============
   s  -   34526
-        (42536)
===============
hls = 1230.

5041 (R. W. Pipe, p.57)

3  4  5  8  9  325476890
========================
      a        342658790
   5*          324658790
-     s        623548790
s  -           234568790
   s     -  s  243569078
   -     -  -  432567890
   4*          234567890
========================
Start at backstroke with a single.
a = 2,s4,6.
4* = -s--.
5* = --s--.

Stedman Cinques

1306 (p.61)

1  6  7  19  2314567890E
========================
-  s  -  2   31425678E90
   -     5*  41325678E90
   -     2   31245678E90
a           (3124567890E)
========================
a = 12,14,15,16,17,18,19.

False Compositions

Stedman Doubles

36 (p.9)

Repeated changes.

   23145
   =====
s  34215  1
s  34125  1
s  42315  1
s  42135  1
s  23415  1
s (23145) 1
   =====
method_name = { Stedman Doubles }
composition = { s s s s s s ce }

Stedman Triples

79 (p.27)

Repeated change: 2314567.

   2314567
   =======
–  4756312  4
s  7643521  1
–  7635421  1
–  6523714  2
–  5312647  2
–  3241576  2
– (2135476) 1
   =======
method_name = { Stedman Triples }
composition = { p p p b s b p b p b p b b }

1284 (p.28)

1536 changes, 120 repeated changes.

6  S  H  L  Q  5  231456
=========================
s                 346125 |
   x  x     x     413265 | A
      x           143256 |
A                 324156
   x     x        316254 |
   x  x     x     123564 | B
      x           213546 |
B                 152436
  x      x     s (315426)
      x     x     142365
      x           412356
A                (231456)
=========================
method_name = { Stedman Triples }
c1 = { p p p p p p p p p p s p p p p p ce }
c2 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce }
c3 = { p p p p b b p p p p p p p p ce }
ptA = { c1 c2 c3 }
c4 = { p p b b p p b b p p p p p p ce }
ptB = { c4 c2 c3 }
c5 = { p p b b p p b b s p p p ce }
c6 = { p p p p b b p p p p p b b p ce }
composition = { ptA ptA ptB ptB c5 c6 c3 ptA }

5040 (T. Thurstans, p.28)

Doesn't end in rounds and course ends don't match.

2  S  H  L  Q  14  2314567
==========================
   x  x            2463517 |
   x  x     x      4325617 | A
      x            3425167 |
==========================
2A                 5142367
==========================
   x     x         5261347 |
   x  x     x      2153647 | B
      x  x         4352167 |
==========================
4A                 5413267
==========================
B                  1253467
==========================
A           s     (5243617)
      x            2543167
==========================
2A                 3154267
==========================
   x               2164357 |
   x  x     x      1423657 | C
      x            4123567 |
==========================
4A                 2451367
==========================
C                  1432567
==========================
A                  4215367
==========================
   x     x         4562317
   x  x     x      5243617
s                  2314567
==========================
method_name = { Stedman Triples }
ptAc1 = { p p b b b b p p p p p p p p ce } ! s h
ptAc2 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce } ! s h     q
ptAc3 = { p p p p b b p p p p p p p }      !   h 
ptA = { ptAc1 ptAc2 ptAc3 p ce }
ptAs14 = { ptAc1 ptAc2 ptAc3 s ce }
ptBc1 = { p p b b p p b b p p p p p p ce } ! s     l
ptBc2 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce } ! s h     q
ptBc3 = { p p p p b b b b p p p p p p ce } !     h l
ptB = { ptBc1 ptBc2 ptBc3 }
tc1 = { p p b b p p p p p p p p ce }       !   h
ptCc1 = { p p b b p p p p p p p p p p ce } ! s
ptCc2 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce } ! s h     q
ptCc3 = { p p p p b b p p p p p p p }      !   h 
ptC = { ptCc1 ptCc2 ptCc3 p ce }
tc2 = { p p b b p p b b p p p p p p ce } ! s     l
tc3 = { p p b b b b p p p p p b b p ce } ! s h     q
tc4 = { p s ce }
composition = { ptA ptA ptA ptB ptA ptA ptA ptA ptB ptAs14 tc1 ptA ptA ptC ptA ptA ptA ptA ptC ptA tc2 tc3 tc4 }

Erin Triples

5040 (J. W. Parker, p.29)

Only 4746 changes, 1974 repeated (including rounds). Also course end error on line 6: 462613 => 452613.

1  3  4  5  6  123456
=====================
-  -           532416
=====================
s  -  -  -  -  413652 | A |
s  -  -        231645 |   |
=====================     |
3A             635124     | C
=====================     |
s  -  -  -  -  123465 |   | 
   -  -  -  -  452613 | B |
s  -  -        325641 |   |
=====================
3C             621534
=====================
  -  -         312564
=====================
2A             615342
=====================
2B             425136
=====================
4C             624351
=====================
  -  -         542361
=====================
3A             341256
=====================
  -  -         514236
=====================
A              413625
=====================
B              123456
=====================
method_name = { Erin Triples}
continue_after_rounds
c1 = { p p b b p p p ce }
a1 = { s p b b b b p ce }
a2 = { s p b b p p p ce }
ptA = { a1 a2 }
b1 = { s p b b b b p ce }
b2 = { p p b b b b p ce }
b3 = { s p b b p p p ce }
ptB = { b1 b2 b3 }
ptC = { ptA ptA ptA ptA ptB }
composition = { c1 ptC ptC ptC ptC c1 ptA ptA ptB ptB ptC ptC ptC ptC c1 ptA ptA ptA c1 ptA ptB }

Double Norwich Court Bob Major

352 (p.32)

Doesn't end in rounds.

1  2  3  6  234567
         -  34256
-  s  s     357246
         -  573246
-  s  s     23456
method_name = { Double Norwich Court Bob Major }
c1 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c2 = { b s s p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c1 c2 }

5072 (J. H. Fielden, p.32)

Too many changes (5184) and 239 repeated. Course ends agree with Prover using composition below until the row with 4* after which 234 is transposed. Not sure whether this is because the Peal Prover notation is wrong or the composition is.

1  2  3  4  6  7  2345678
=========================
            2*    43256   |
s           3     53246   |
s        s  3     63254   | A
s        s  3     43265   |
s           3     63245   |
=========================
s        s  -     32564
-     s           275346
-           -     357246
-  s  s  s        326745
         -  3     423765
s     s           4258763
   s        4*    4238765
-        s     s  5623478
-        s  -     32456
=========================
A                 62345
=========================
s        s  3     52364
s        s  -     23456
=========================
2* = s-.
4* = -s-s.
method_name = { Double Norwich Court Bob Major }
continue_after_rounds
ptAc1 = { p p p p p s p ce }
ptAc2 = { p p p p p b p ce }
ptAc3 = { s p p p p b p ce }
ptAc4 = { s p p p p b p ce }
ptAc5 = { s p p s p b p ce }
ptA = { ptAc1 ptAc2 ptAc3 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc5 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc5 ptAc2 ptAc2 ptAc3 ptAc2 ptAc2 }
tc1 = { s p p s p b p ce }
tc2 = { b p s p p p p ce }
tc3 = { b p p p p b p ce }
tc4 = { b s s s ce }
tc5 = { p p p b p b p ce }
tc6 = { p p p p p b p ce }
tc7 = { s p s p ce }
tc8 = { p s p p p b p ce }
tc9 = { p p p p p b p ce }
tc10 = { p p p p p s p ce }
tc11 = { b p p s p p s p ce }
tc12 = { b p p s p b p ce }
tc = { tc1 tc2 tc3 tc4 tc5 tc6 tc6 tc7 tc8 tc9 tc10 tc9 tc10 tc11 tc12 }
tc13 = { s p p s p b p ce }
composition = { ptA tc ptA tc13 tc6 tc6 tc1 }

5184 (S. Humphrey, p.32)

Not enough changes (4992) and 432 repeated. Course ends agree with Prover using composition below until the row with 3 calls at 6 after which 456 is transposed. Not sure whether this is because the Peal Prover notation is wrong or the composition is.

1  2  4  5  6   234567
======================
            2*  43256
s        -      25634
      -         45236
   s            375246
-           -   257346
-  -        3   26345
         -      32564
            2   53264
s           -   32654
======================
4 part.
2* = s- in parts 1 and 3.
c1 = { p p p p p s p ce }
c2 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c3 = { s p p p b ce }
c4 = { p p p b p p p ce }
c5 = { p s p p ce }
c6 = { b p p p p b p ce }
c7 = { b b p p p b p p ce }
c8 = { p p p p p b p ce }
c9 = { p p p p b ce }
c10 = { s p p p p b ce }
pt1 = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 c8 c9 c8 c8 }
pt2 = { c2 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 c8 c8 c9 c8 c8 }
composition = { pt1 pt2 pt1 pt2 }

Spliced Surprise Major

1280 (3m, p.45)

Correct number of changes and comes round, but 34 repeated changes.

B  M  H           23456
=======================
-        CYSC     35264
   -     YSCSCSY  25463
-        YCCS     56234
   -  -  SCYCSYC  42635
-     -  YSYC     42356
      -  CYSYYCS  34256
      -  CSCYCCY  23456
=======================
method_name = { spliced 
                 { br = Bristol Surprise Major }
                 { ca = Cambridge Surprise Major }
                 { li = Lincolnshire Surprise Major }
                 { lo = London Surprise Major }
                 { pu = Pudsey Surprise Major }
                 { ru = Rutland Surprise Major }
                 { su = Superlative Surprise Major }
                 { yo = Yorkshire Surprise Major }
              } 
c1 = { cap yob sup cap ce }
c2 = { yob sup cap sup cap sup yop ce }
c3 = { yop cab cap sup ce }
c4 = { sub cap yop cap sup yop cab ce }
c5 = { yop sub yop cab ce }
c6 = { cap yop sup yop yop cap sub ce }
c7 = { cap sup cap yop cap cap yob ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c7 }

1280 (5m, p.45)

Correct number of changes and comes round, but 30 repeated changes.

M  W  H        23456
====================
-     -  RSYNN	64352
   -     RCR   56342
====================
5 part.
c1 = { rub sup yop lip lib ce }
c2 = { rup cab rup ce }
pt1 = { c1 c2 }
composition = { pt1 pt1 pt1 pt1 pt1 }

Plain Bob Caters

288 (p.47)

216 changes and doesn't end in rounds.

4  H  23456789
==============
s  s  24356879
s  s  23456789
==============
c1 = { p p s p p s }
composition = { c1 c1 }

Plain Bob Royal

420 (p.52)

Doesn't seem to work without repeating changes.

    23456
    =====
6A  34256
6A  42356
6A  23456
    =====
A = - or s, but number of singles must be even.

1260 (p.52)

Doesn't end in rounds and doesn't seem to match the course ends after the first course.

4  5  6  234567890
==================
   -     234567089
-     -  423569078
   s     423569708
-     -  342568790
   -     342568079
-  s     342569807
-     -  234567890
==================
c1 = { p p p p b p p p p ce }
c2 = { p p p b p b p p p p ce }
c3 = { p p p p s p p p p ce }
c4 = { p p p b s p p p p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c2 c1 c4 c2 }

Little Bob Royal

5024 (J. Longridge, p.53)

16 repeated changes.

1  2  3  4  5  9  234567890
===========================
   -     -  -  3  426357089
            -  -  562347089
         -  -  2  542637089
            -  3  243657089
            -  2  453627089
            -  3  352647089
         -  -  3  234567089
===========================
   -           s  243567908
-  -  -           432567908
-  -  -           324567908
===========================
   -     -  -  3  436257890
            -  3  635247890
            -  2  345267890
         -     3  235467890
         -     2  254367890
         -     3  324567890
===========================
2 Part.
c1 = { p b p b b p p p b ce } !2459
c2 = { p p p p p p p p b ce } !9
c3 = { p p p p b p p p b ce } !59
c4 = { p p p b b p p p b ce } !459
pt1 = { c1 c2 c2 c3 c4 c2 c3 c2 c2 c3 c2 c3 c2 c2 c4 c2 c2 }
c5 = { p b p p p p p p s ce } !2s9
c6 = { b b b p ce }
pt2 = { c5 c6 c6 }
c7 = { p p p b p p p p b ce } !49
pt3 = { c1 c2 c2 c3 c2 c2 c3 c2 c7 c2 c2 c7 c2 c7 c2 c2 }
composition = { pt1 pt2 pt3 pt1 pt2 pt3 }

Kent Treble Bob Royal

1320 (p.54)

Only 1200 changes, doesn't end in rounds.

B  H  234567890
===============
   -  423567890
-  -  342567089
-  -  234567908
-     234567890
===============
c1 = { b ce }
c2 = { p p p p b p p p p b ce }
c3 = { p p p p b p p p p ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c2 c3 }

Plain Bob Cinques

5060 (G. R. Drew, p.59)

1  4  5  6  10 234567890E
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            s  243567890E
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      -  s     24356790E8
-     -     3* 2534679E80
-           3* 2435679E80
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   s           2435607E98
-  -        3* 253468709E
-           3* 243568709E
=========================
   s  -  -     24356E8907
-  s        4* 253467890E
-           2  234567890E
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3* = --s.
4* = -s--.
c1 = { p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c2 = { p p p p b s p p p p ce }
c3 = { b p p p b p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c4 = { b p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c5 = { p p p s p p p p p p ce }
c6 = { b p p b p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s ce }
c7 = { p p p s b b p p p p ce }
c8 = { b p p s p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p s p p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b ce }
c9 = { b p p p p p p p p b p p p p p p p p p b ce }
composition = { c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 c6 c4 c7 c8 c9 }

Errata

Beverley Surprise Minor

1296 (p.19)

The middle 3 plain lead count should be 2.

  23456
  =====
s 32564 3
s 62453 1
- 25346 1
- 25463 3
s 43256 2
s 34562 3
s 64253 1
- 64532 3
s 34256 1
  =====
3 Part.

London and Wells Spliced Surprise Minor

120 (p.21)

Number of changes should be 240.

Stedman Triples

103 (p.28)

Number of changes should be 105.

169 (p.28)

Number of changes should be 171.

Stedman Caters

85 (p.49)

Number of changes should be 87.

Erin Caters

263 (p.51)

Last two course ends should be 324165798 and (213547698).

371 (p.51)

Course ends 342165978, 124365978 incorrect: last three bells should be 798.

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